Minutes from CAE Community Online Meeting

Chat Transcript

•  Anthony Pinto: Is anyone in this meeting
•  Stephen Miller: Hello yes Stephen Miller is here
•  Chris Rondeau: Chris Rondeau from BPCC is here
•  Faisal Kaleem (Metropolitan State): Faisal Kaleem from Metropolitan State University
•  Anne Kohnke: Anne Kohnke, University of Detroit Mercy
•  Michael Tu: Hello
•  Henry Coffman: Hello everyone
•  Chris Rondeau: What ever yall did when you muted it cut all audio also
•  Chris Rondeau: I have not voice or can I here now
•  Chris Rondeau: I have no voice I mean
•  Safwan Omari: Hi, this is Safwan Omari, from Lewis U
•  Michael Tu: Michael TU from Purdue University Calumet
•  Chris Rondeau: I have can here you now but it is not allowing my audio to connect so only have chat
•  Deanne Wesley: Hello everyone (Deanne  Wesley) Forsyth Technical Community College
•  Margaret Leary: Margaret Leary NVCC/National CyberWatch Center
•  Guillermo Francia: Guillermo Francia from Jacksonville State University
•  Pons FIU: Hello
•  Dr. Wayne Machuca: Wayne Machuca, Mt. Hood Community College
•  Anne Kohnke: Got it, thank you!
•  Anthony Pinto: No audio thru adobe
•  R: Ron Woerner, Bellevue University
•  Faisal Kaleem (Metropolitan State): Voice is gone
•  R: Conflict with #SaferInternetDay twitter chat
•  Keyuan Jiang: Hello from Purdue University Calumet
•  Amelia Phillips: Hello All, Amelia Phillips HIghline College
•  Erik Fretheim: Erik Fretheim  City University of Seattle.
•  Chris Simpson: Chris from National University
•  Dongwan Shin (New Mexico Tech): Dongwan from New Mexico Tech
•  Keyuan Jiang: No viedo?
•  Zachary Lewis: Zach Lewis from Utica College
•  Bill Dafnis: Capella University
•  Carolyn Green: Carolyn Green: Carolyn from Texas A&M-San Antonio
•  Stephen Miller 2 :Eastern New Mexico University-Ruidoso Branch Community College
•  D Evans: Deidre Evans from Florida A & M University
•  zchen@mercy.edu: Z Chen, Mercy College, NY
•  Greg Randall-Snead State: Hello everyone, Greg Randall -Snead State Community College
•  Denise Pheils: Owens Community College & Excelsior College
•  Fan Wu_Tuskegee University: Fan Wu from Tuskegee University
•  Henry Coffman: Henry Coffman from Lord Fairfax Community College
•  Wayne Summers: wayne summers from Columbus State Universiity
•  Bo Yuan: Rochester Institute of Technology
•  Bryan E: Bryan - CAE Tech Talk
•  Art: no theme music?
•  John Yoon 2: John Yoon from Mercy College, NY
•  CAE Community: Very funny Art!
•  Dr. Costis Toregas: Costis Toregas from The George Washington Univesity
•  Art: Designate Programs, and the institution can claim "designated programs"
•  Bo Yuan: Program
•  Faisal Kaleem (Metropolitan State): Program
•  Josh Stroschein - DSU: Hi everyone, Josh Stroschein from Dakota State University
•  Dr. Costis Toregas: Cybersecurity is by nature interdisciplinary.  Leave designation at the institution level to recognize linkage
•  Margaret Leary: I've seen institutions, however, that are then awarding transcripts for programs that do not contain the KUs
•  Amelia Phillips: Also since the IT support area is very important as well. The institutional designation should remain.
•  Stephen Miller 2: Institution level provides administations support for our programs.
•  Chris Simpson: agree that Institutional level helps wth high level support
•  Agnes Chan: Program.  Program can be interdisciplinary and the designation can be more meaningful in that we can guarantee that students from a program has been trained in cyber security.
•  Margaret Leary: Thanks...you better articulated that.
•  Guillermo Francia: Leave as is to make the Administrators aware and be more involved
•  LynnH: POC is supposed to have control over use of NSA/DHS seals on programs at their institution
•  Faisal Kaleem (Metropolitan State): There are sub designations like forensics as well
•  Amelia Phillips: Can we require that the only mapped degrees / certificates be allowed to put it on the transcript. That has been our agreement with the registrar.
•  Safwan Omari: I think some sort of hybrid model, where there is an institution-level designation and per-program ones.
•  Erik Fretheim: How about an institution level with designators for full and associated programs.
•  Margaret Leary: Why not both? The statement on the transcript should be program specific, however the institution could be designated.
•  Eman El-Sheikh: I support institution-level designation as well. The institution should identify the program(s) that meet CAE KU requirements, but institutional designation will enhance multidisciplinary efforts and encourage various programs and ITS at an institution to work together to enhance cybersecurity efforts overall.
•  Deanne Wesley: I also support that the designation remain at the institution level.  The support from the college holistically, it gives more prestige to the designation.
•  Art: The institution defines who has control over things - that is one of the issues.
•  Charlen Watson: Good afternoon. My apologies for being late. Was held up by class.
•  Alice Shaffer: Program designation helps with hiring.  You reduce the number of students stating they are from a CAE but have never been involved in the cyber program.
•  Stephen Miller 2: I agree with Eman and Deanne - Institution-level enables our cybersecurity programs and support form industry.
•  Dr. Costis Toregas: Who raised the issue anyway? why change what seems to work
•  Michael Tu: designation at institution level, but select one chosen program for certification
•  Denisha Jackson: Also CAE PO frequently get asked specifically which programs to choose from students
•  Chris Rondeau: Yes I like the old CNSS model.  We have done what Michael is talking about at BPCC.
•  Art: "One program" will create issues where there can be multiple paths to complaince
•  Karen: Could be University of XYZ's Cyber Security minor (or whatever the school calls it).
•  Deanne Wesley: I think this is an important topic and should be discussed very carefully.  tIt should not be rushed into.
•  Scott Orr (Indiana U.): Agreed, espeically for us with multiple programs with different focuses.
•  Anne Kohnke: This is an excellent topic for discussion. I'm new to the CAE Community and learning quite a bit by this dialogue.
•  LynnH: CNSS model - if others tried to claim, POC would tell me and I would email offending party to let them know must be approved by POC
•  R: Maky of the KUs are tech focused.  Half of being a cybersecurity professional are "soft skills."  How will these be incorporated.
•  R :Makyy = Many
•  Charlen Watson: So the "million dollar question" of the CAE KUs being mapped onto NICE Framework.....?
•  Charlen Watson: and vice versa?
•  LynnH: designation
•  Art: Cyber Ops KU's are better defined, but still not perfect
•  Charlen Watson: Actually more like not "should it" but will it eventually go there and should we plan for that if its coming?
•  Art: KU's need to taken to KU 2.0 - what we have right now was first effort
•  Art: I get a danish
•  Chris Simpson: recommend you get industry and government practitioner feedback/input on KU's
•  Charlen Watson: I might be interested in helping with "clean up."
•  Anne Kohnke: I am interested in helping with the clean up.
•  Art: weveryone interested in cleaning up KU's go to https://www.caecommunity.org/forum/general/cae-community-online-meeting-clean-kus-core
•  Michael Tu: I am very interested in this KU clean up
•  Luc Longpre: Maybe make cae-2y and cae-4y independent documents (not necessarily include all cae-2y KU in the cae-4y)
•  Erik Fretheim: The topics also need more than just a word.  For example cryptography is meaningless as a topic alone.  Does it mean know everything about cryptography and be able to create your own algorithms, or does it mean understand how cryptography is used to support security.
•  Amelia Phillips: A few of us, with more coming, offer both 2 year programs that feed into our 4 year programs. Making them stackable is in the best interest of the student.
•  Dr. Costis Toregas: With behavior, we are drifting this discussion to performance based assessment whihc is a topic in its own right
•  Erik Fretheim: have to be careful about showing assessments of everything.  We'd be spending all of our time testing rather than teaching.
•  Denise Pheils: This change could help to drive more appropriate course outcomes for each course defined in the CAE designated program.
•  Anthony Pinto: does anyone else see a blue mesh square in the lower right of the screen that is blocking some content
•  Corrinne Sande: Anthony, I do
•  Amelia Phillips: Yes, I do as well
•  Denise Pheils: And outcomes could allow for more specific and appropriate assessments (instead of a paper for everything).
•  Karen: i do
•  Stephen Miller 2: yes
•  Charlen Watson: Yes, I do see the square blocking my view
•  Michael Tu: yes
•  Anthony Pinto: fixed
•  Charlen Watson: yes
•  Michael Tu: better
•  Corrinne Sande: well, that certainly helped
•  Fan Wu_Tuskegee University: yes
•  Corrinne Sande: I like that idea
•  Fan Wu_Tuskegee University: the box happened again at the top right corner
•  Fan Wu_Tuskegee University: okay
•  Denise Pheils: It could even offer assessments like CyberWatch or CSSIA labs that would make it easier for newbies to adopt the cybersecurity programs and concepts and ease application to becoming a CAE at any level.
•  James Walden: Does anyone still make hubs?  Every "hub" I've seen in the last 10 years has actually been a switch.
•  Margaret Leary: NCC (National CyberWatch)  is exploring this in detail at this time
•  Denise Pheils: An added benefit is that established programs can see what else is out there in order to keep their programs fresh and applicable.
•  Stephen Miller 2: I support this direction we already promote the" IF You Can idea" in our Capstone course.
•  Dr. Costis Toregas: Where would KU "clean up" and "add on" recommendations go? how is a final decision get made?  You do not want to raise expectations and have a lot of unhappy people if their ideas are not taken
•  Deanne Wesley: Margeret will the Curriulum Task force be working on this intiative?
•  Eman El-Sheikh: Context and examples would certainly provide a good starting point for new institutions and also provide consistency in meeting the KUs.. It would be important to clearly distinguish the requirements from the examples to allow institutions to meet requirements in other ways.
•  Corrinne Sande: the question is if there is a change in the nice framework, does that drive a change in the kus?
•  Art: If half of the people on this session actively to a revision of KU's - we would have a significant input
•  Art: KU's map to NICE, NICE does not by itself drive what is in KU's
•  Corrinne Sande: what happens if there is a change at NICE
•  Denise Pheils: And provides an additional validation of the content.
•  Deanne Wesley: I agree that moving towards this initative will help with consistencu and clarification for prospective CAE's
•  Charlen Watson: KUs and NICE are actually, and need to be looked at, as being symbiotic..
•  Art: need time for open mic == karaoke!
•  Anne Kohnke: Art, Dan Shoemaker says 'hello' and would be sad to miss karaoke time.
•  Corrinne Sande: is this the "core" or the 2ycore
•  Art: because the breadth of cybersecurity is so wide, we need to create KU systems, at all levels, that can be adaptable to the breadth.  One size fits most never fits anyone well, and we need to build a system so institutions/programs can pick an appropriate "size" for their program
•  James Walden: I don't think CAE2Y favors 2+2.  How many 4-year universities have security courses below 300-level that 2Y students could transfer into?
•  Corrinne Sande: so these would not be part of the 4 year kus?
•  Art: Why not have a technical set of KU's for technical programs and policy set for policy programs
•  Bill Butler CapTechU: We do as well at Capitol
•  Art: one 2+2 set, one non-2+2 set, we can make a KU smorgasboard
•  Corrinne Sande: the cae would lose all meaning if it was diluted like that
•  Amelia Phillips: I like Art's suggestion of technical KUs and policy KUs.  Keep in mind that ehe Applied Bachelors degrees are also career technical.
•  Stephen Miller 2: I agree with Corrine
•  Denise Pheils: Cafeteria style that allows for a mix that qualifies would add a layer of flexibility that does not presently exist. And if we need a proactive workforce, a more flexible  set of options could benefit students, differentiate programs under CAE/CAE2Y, and benefit society through the diverse training of cybersecurity professionals.
•  Dr. Wayne Machuca: The mandate of the CTE programs at Community College is different than the mandate of the Universities. Isn't the purpose of the CAE-2Y to reflect CTE training in the first place?
•  Dr. Wayne Machuca: :)
•  Erik Fretheim: Instead of a complete smorgasboard, a series of pathways through the KU's
•  Corrinne Sande: then what is a "cae" if it can be anything
•  Corrinne Sande: I am not in favor of this and feel it separates the community colleges from the universities
•  Art: https://www.caecommunity.org/forum/general/cae-community-online-meeting-cae-2y
•  Amelia Phillips: Yes, the community colleges feed both universities and applied bachelors degrees.
• Stephen Miller 2: I agree
•  Corrinne Sande: that is right amelia
•  Deanne Wesley: I agree also.
•  Henry Coffman: I agree with Amelia and Corrinne
•  Art: will slides be posted to CAEcommunity
•  Waleed Farag: Will we have a follow up to this meeting?
•  Art: We should all thank Tony for setting up this meeting  - 53 people on line!
•  Michael Tu: any ready material on critical infrastructure security with hands-on labs to be taught in class
• Fan Wu_Tuskegee University: Are you going to share the presentation sldies with us?
•  Anne Kohnke: Thank you for this very informative meeting!
•  Amelia Phillips: Thanks  Tony!
•  Deanne Wesley: thanks Tony
•  Fan Wu_Tuskegee University: okay thanks!
•  Faisal Kaleem (Metropolitan State): Thanks Tony
•  Michael Tu: Thanks Tony!
•  Eman El-Sheikh: Thanks, Tony, for facilitating
•  Erik Fretheim: thanks
•  Safwan Omari: Thanks Tony
•  Art: Michael Tu - contact me for CIP
•  Patrick Tague: thanks Tony!
•  Henry Coffman: Yes thanks Tony
•  Pons FIU: Thanks
•  Stephen Miller 2: Thanks very good meeting
•  Waleed Farag: Many thanks, Tony
• Corrinne Sande: thanks
•  Charlen Watson: Thank you!!!!
•  Alice Shaffer: thanks  
•  Chris Simpson: thanks Tony!